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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 10, 2011 1:44:15 GMT -5
This will be an ongoing section where occasionally, interesting or big trades will be reviewed by myself! A winner will be declared with 1/5 being a slight advantage to a 5/5 as a straight rip off We start off with: To : Kyle Okposo RW 24 2800000 6 51 78 79 74 75 74 73 74 74 70 58 60 74 77 74 74 Scott Glennie C 21 380000 3 40 75 64 72 63 69 55 71 71 75 58 46 61 70 62 68 To : Devin Setoguchi RW 25 3000000 4 36 82 76 71 71 71 75 76 71 72 55 55 67 76 72 72 Eric Nystrom LW 29 1400000 3 47 60 59 62 73 77 77 75 68 73 47 57 71 60 75 70 Justin Falk D 23 222500 1 40 50 43 51 72 73 76 68 63 61 71 50 66 48 73 66 first 3rd Winner: Minnesota (3/5) Reason: The trade of Scott Glennie is a confusing one. Dallas is clearly entering a rebuilding stage, so to trade a top prospect is an interesting move, unless some high end young talent is brought in. Dallas receives Devin Setoguchi who is the kind of player that kind of fits in to every line strategy, but plays none of them well. Not a cornerstone of the future. Falk and Nystrom are purely bottom line/pairing players, nothing more. The first is a nice addition but it could be argued, depending on Minnesota's success this year (or lack of) that the 1st = Glennie. Kyle Okposo, while he is no stud, represents a player of decent-significant value. Dallas should not have traded him so easily, as to maximize the value of one of their more promising pieces. The trade boils down to Okposo+Glennie for Setoguchi+1st and some throw ins. The throw ins do not even out the differences in this deal, and Minnesota comes out on top. TO Michal Neuvirth G 24 1150000 2 33 78 78 79 79 78 73 78 78 76 80 57 67 78 76 77 Jonathan Ericsson D 28 900000 1 40 67 64 62 76 76 76 75 80 61 57 58 76 64 76 72 TO Anders Lindback G 22 1900000 2 31 80 79 78 79 78 80 78 78 76 77 53 65 79 79 78 Winner: Colorado (2/5) Reason: The trade boils down to Colorado upgrading their starting goalie for the price of a bottom pair defenceman. Whether teams were wanting Lindback or not, he is good enough to be an average starter in the league, and at 22 years old, should have fetched more than a backup/starter and a bottom pairing defenceman. From Nashville's perspective, they lose a young skilled goalie and they really only gain a depth defenceman. Backup goalie's can be found decently easy, so Lindback's value should have been maximized without some of it being wasted on getting a downgraded backup in return. To T.J. Galiardi LW 24 2000000 4 35 75 75 73 79 73 71 73 74 67 76 68 68 74 74 75 Mario Lucia LW 18 370000 3 50 54 47 54 51 52 50 61 60 74 43 46 50 51 51 60 20th overall pick (Martin Frk) 87th Overall To James Neal LW 24 2875000 2 50 79 77 73 73 73 79 73 73 72 64 58 66 76 75 73 Winner: Pittsburgh (1/5) Reason: St. Louis makes a move to solidify their third line. Really, this is a trade that works for both sides, but Pittsburgh gets the advantage because of the value gained. Galiardi represents a small-medium downgrade on Neal. The price of this downgrade is a 1st round prospect, a 2nd-3rd round prospect and a 3rd round pick. Frk may be the only player of significance in return, however his develpoment, along with Lucia's will ulitmately determine whether the downgrade on Neal was worth it. For now, Pittsburgh picks up a good prospect and 2 average ones for a downgrade at a potentially key spot. To : Andrew Cogliano C 24 1000000 1 34 75 76 78 74 75 68 85 78 67 75 52 64 76 72 74 1st Round Pick - To : Daniel Brière C 34 6500000 5 31 84 82 85 68 66 60 83 80 60 74 76 66 83 64 77 Gregory Hofmann C 19 360000 3 34 57 58 60 41 44 37 54 48 79 56 45 46 58 40 56 Winner: Montreal (1/5) Reason: Andrew Cogliano is a 3rd liner at best. Hoffman, although a 4th round pick, looks like he could provide some offense in the future. The main part of this trade, however, is a late 1st round pick for a very skilled, top line, offensive forward. This is very strong value for Montreal, even if Briere is 34. If Briere plays until he is 36 or 37, this is definitely a deal that Montreal won, and Carolina might have got caught up in a little bit of draft hype. However, this move could be slightly confusing if you look past a straight value assessment. Montreal missed the playoffs this season and it should be noted whether this is a quick fix that leaves them further behind when Briere retires, or whether it will significantly improve their performance next season. If this move was made by a much more serious contender, it would be a wonderful acquisition. To : Patrick Kane RW 23 6000000 5 38 79 86 84 74 73 59 83 65 76 61 69 74 83 68 77 Milan Hejduk RW 36 3000000 2 40 80 78 83 73 73 62 78 85 87 71 78 70 80 69 77 Matt Calvert RW 22 450000 2 34 65 58 69 72 75 60 74 74 79 50 50 59 64 69 67 Viktor Stalberg LW 26 850000 1 40 70 70 71 74 72 72 75 75 71 72 59 71 70 72 73 To : Evgeni Malkin C 25 8700000 4 38 86 88 88 76 76 71 85 84 65 76 66 76 87 74 82 Winner: Columbus (4/5) Reason: This deal wouldn't be too bad if Hejduk was in his 20's. However, this is likely his last season and so in 1 years time, Pittsburgh will have significantly downgraded on Malkin for a 4th line forward at best, and a prospect that will likely land on the 4th line also. Malkin represents a top 5 forward in the game, and although Kane is a strong player, is just a strong offensive player compared to Malkin, as one of the league's best. Other moves could have been made if Pittsburgh was trying to acquire 36 year old extra offensive forward, that wouldn't have seen them trade their best player in the process. Although the Crosby to Columbus trade may have been won by Pittsburgh, this trade gives Columbus the advantage overall. That is all for now folks, more to come next episode
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Post by braeden (Penguins GM) on Aug 10, 2011 2:17:07 GMT -5
To : Patrick Kane RW 23 6000000 5 38 79 86 84 74 73 59 83 65 76 61 69 74 83 68 77 Milan Hejduk RW 36 3000000 2 40 80 78 83 73 73 62 78 85 87 71 78 70 80 69 77 Matt Calvert RW 22 450000 2 34 65 58 69 72 75 60 74 74 79 50 50 59 64 69 67 Viktor Stalberg LW 26 850000 1 40 70 70 71 74 72 72 75 75 71 72 59 71 70 72 73 To : Evgeni Malkin C 25 8700000 4 38 86 88 88 76 76 71 85 84 65 76 66 76 87 74 82 Winner: Columbus (4/5) Reason: This deal wouldn't be too bad if Hejduk was in his 20's. However, this is likely his last season and so in 1 years time, Pittsburgh will have significantly downgraded on Malkin for a 4th line forward at best, and a prospect that will likely land on the 4th line also. Malkin represents a top 5 forward in the game, and although Kane is a strong player, is just a strong offensive player compared to Malkin, as one of the league's best. Other moves could have been made if Pittsburgh was trying to acquire 36 year old extra offensive forward, that wouldn't have seen them trade their best player in the process. Although the Crosby to Columbus trade may have been won by Pittsburgh, this trade gives Columbus the advantage overall. Do I still lose that trade after Stalberg for Boyes?
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 10, 2011 2:35:00 GMT -5
yes, boyes isnt anything special
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Post by habsgm on Aug 10, 2011 6:01:13 GMT -5
I think Briere will make a difference. And besides, how could I turn down a Vanek-Briere-Hossa line? Hahaha
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 10, 2011 12:08:56 GMT -5
definitely a dangerous line
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 17, 2011 13:54:23 GMT -5
EPISODE 2! To Ilya Kovalchuk LW 29 6666666 15 33 91 79 86 65 64 64 90 74 74 51 71 75 85 64 78 Ville Leino LW 28 3850000 4 33 76 80 76 73 73 64 76 73 71 57 58 67 77 70 72 Jim O'Brien LW 23 253749 1 40 67 67 74 72 75 72 75 75 69 76 50 59 69 73 71 Ilya Zubov C 25 255000 1 40 69 74 73 49 52 48 70 71 75 63 49 67 72 49 66 1st 2013 Zack Smith LW 24 900000 4 75 66 65 69 73 75 75 71 75 41 56 56 75 66 74 69 To Tyler Seguin LW 20 900000 3 28 72 72 73 76 75 71 80 79 77 73 58 66 72 74 75 Brayden Schenn LW 20 875000 2 67 64 75 73 77 78 73 78 80 60 77 60 69 70 76 75 Zack Kassian RW 21 380000 3 74 73 75 72 73 74 75 73 74 50 54 59 74 73 74 72 Chris Drury C 35 7050000 2 32 74 74 73 77 82 70 79 73 75 82 80 73 73 76 78 1st 2013 Winner: Buffalo (1/5) Reason: This deal is a very nice deal for both teams. It's about as fair as it can get for a blockbuster of this magnitude. It's a tough one to break down, but let's give it a try. Although it is difficult to value Schenn and Seguin, as they are so early into their NHL careers, they are two of the brightest young players in the game. Kovalchuk, meanwhile, is a sure thing; and he is a top superstar. I would value Schenn + Seguin + Kassian = Kovalchuk here. No doubt that if each of those three players develops to their full potential, the advantage is likely given to Ottawa in this breakdown, however after a full season, of developing none of Schenn/Seguin/Kassian jumps out as developing extremely well, especially when compared to their young counterparts (such as Taylor Hall for example) material. Of course that could change during the second season, but it doesn't appear like any of them will approach Kovalchuk's game changing ability. Best case scenario= Ottawa gets 3 1st/2nd line two way players who are very solid respectively. Good value for a top offensive player. Worst case scenario = Ottawa gets 3 2nd/3rd liners which isn't very great value for someone of Kovalchuk's offensive ability. If we look at the rest of the trade, I would consider Leino + Ott 1st = Drury + Buf 1st. Leino is a decent second liner, but not a great one. Drury is maybe a 3rd liner, but a premiere one as well as a superb penalty killer. Drury is more useful within his role, however this is likely his last season. So Leino may have slightly more value, which the picks even out (I see Buffalo's pick being a bit better than Ottawa's next season). The remaining players involved sees Buffalo receiving O'Brien, Zubov and Smith for basically nothing, and while none of them are too exciting; it represents some free value, which tips the scales slightly towards Buffalo's favour. Excellent trade GM's. To : Shane Doan RW 35 4550000 2 55 80 80 76 75 73 80 76 75 57 74 86 82 78 76 77 To : Arron Asham RW 34 640000 1 69 70 57 59 73 71 81 70 69 50 59 68 80 62 75 70 Troy Brouwer LW 26 2100000 4 75 77 75 74 73 74 83 73 74 63 60 62 74 75 76 72 Joel Champagne C 22 108000 1 40 52 58 58 56 68 69 55 60 70 63 48 65 56 64 64 Winner: Buffalo (1/5) Reason: Although this is a good trade for both teams (Doan maybe pushes Philly over the edge for their Stanley Cup quest), on straight value, Buffalo comes out slightly ahead. Troy Brouwer is a very good 3rd line player, or a decent 2nd liner in certain set ups. Basically he is just a little bit worse than Doan, but 2.5 million cheaper and 9 years younger. Buffalo acheived some great value, without significantly worsening their NHL roster, for a player who could be in his last season. Asham is an ok 4th liner, and although does not really affect the decision here, is a nice throw in as well. If Buffalo was able to include a good pick or prospect instead of the two insignificant throw ins, the trade may have been more in their favour. To : Loui Eriksson RW 27 4266667 5 25 82 80 81 77 75 63 83 89 85 70 68 76 81 71 79 Mike Ribeiro C 32 5000000 2 29 76 85 82 76 76 70 82 84 79 73 57 73 81 74 78 To : Rick Nash RW 28 7800000 5 65 86 80 84 75 72 74 81 67 75 73 77 81 83 73 79 Jussi Jokinen LW 29 2500000 2 33 76 76 84 72 74 67 78 83 82 77 59 64 78 71 75 Luc Allard D 18 100000 0 17 40 44 57 51 50 53 58 64 84 27 57 54 47 51 57 Winner: Carolina (1.5/5) Reason: Rick Nash is a slight upgrade on both Riberio and Eriksson, however the difference is smaller between, say Nash and Eriksson, than it is between Riberio and Jokinen. Jokinen is a decent-good 2nd liner where as Ribeiro is a great 2nd liner or a good 1st liner. Allard doesn't make up the difference in this switch up. The name factor of Rick Nash may have slightly influenced New Jersey to trade 2 very good players for one great and one above average. Yes, New Jersey got the best player in the trade, but not by a large margain, and Carolina got two of the latter type. To Binny Dunji D 18 100000 0 16 24 34 13 69 65 67 54 76 40 28 57 60 23 67 57 Lauri Korpikoski C 26 2250000 3 36 76 76 76 74 75 71 74 66 79 76 54 65 76 73 73 To Mark Fistric D 26 1000000 1 64 52 47 48 78 77 87 74 76 57 58 59 77 49 80 70 Chris Drury C 36 7050000 1 32 74 74 73 77 82 70 79 81 75 82 80 73 73 76 79 Winner: Ottawa (2/5) Reason: Fistric has great hitting, but is not an exceptional defensive defenceman beyond that. Dunji looks like he has the potential to have great hitting and positioning skills. Dunji will likely be the better overall defensive dman, and if his offense doesn't quite develop, there is no real difference between a 39OF and a 49OF of Fistric for this type of player. Drury for Korpikoski is pretty even. Drury is considerably better defensively, but Korpikoski could bring some more offense from a 3rd or 4th line role. Seeing as how Drury could be in his last season, a young replacement in Korpikoski is a good return. To : Brenden Morrow LW 33 4100000 2 54 81 76 75 75 78 82 79 71 66 57 85 83 77 78 78 Mark Streit D 34 4100000 2 33 80 77 73 76 77 70 77 65 68 47 65 67 76 74 73 Nikita Filatov RW 22 1500000 4 39 76 66 78 67 70 63 78 51 68 50 49 62 73 66 68 Jesse Forsberg D 19 750000 0 47 48 46 50 53 66 53 59 50 77 54 39 48 48 57 59 Brenden Kichton D 20 450000 0 41 58 52 54 46 46 45 55 67 75 47 45 43 54 45 56 Johan Sundström C 19 750000 0 38 53 47 57 48 55 50 64 62 74 55 46 44 52 51 59 2nd Rounder 2013 To : Jordan Staal C 23 4000000 2 40 81 75 80 80 79 78 82 68 70 80 66 77 78 79 78 Winner: NYI (3/5) Reason: Not only did Pittsburgh downgrade up front, they got 10 years older. They better have significantly improved elsewhere to have made this downgrade up front. Mark Streit is decent, but also getting up their in age. Not enough to warrent the downgrade on Staal. Filitov looks like he will not live up to his potential, so is not really worth much. The 2nd round pick and prospects are all ok, but again, something special was needed to get 10 years older AND downgrade on a top center. I'm just not seeing it here. Pittsburgh would have been better off removing most of the prospects and the 2nd and at least tried to get a 1st round pick so they could replace either Streit or Morrow in a few years when they are left with basically nothing. Between this trade and the Malkin trade, Pittsburgh has severely cut down the length of their true contention for the Cup, unless some other moves are made. Thats all for episode 2 people, comments are most welcome!
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 24, 2011 13:48:52 GMT -5
TO NJ
Niklas Kronwall D 31 3000000 1 30 78 74 71 77 78 78 78 68 71 44 70 78 74 77 74
Travis Moen RW 30 1500000 1 64 67 66 66 73 75 77 70 65 59 57 71 79 66 75 69
Roman Polak D 26 2750000 5 42 56 59 53 75 75 77 66 84 63 53 55 75 56 75 68
Andrei Loktionov C 22 1500000 3 40 76 76 76 72 74 56 76 56 75 73 58 62 76 67 72
TO NSH
Chris Phillips D 34 3083333 3 50 60 57 54 77 80 78 74 80 68 49 77 84 57 78 72
Jared Cowen D 21 875000 1 36 50 58 55 76 76 79 73 78 57 47 55 77 54 77 68
Rod Pelley C 27 900000 1 60 59 57 64 70 70 74 70 80 70 86 60 70 60 71 71
Zach Hamill C 23 900000 3 39 59 78 73 58 64 55 76 84 75 75 58 55 70 59 70
Maxim Noreau D 25 240000 2 40 75 63 62 72 76 64 76 79 76 74 50 62 66 70 70
NJ 1st round pick this year
Winner: Nasvhille (1.5/5) Reason: Nashville's trades are always hard to judge because they are always filled with so much junk. So lets ignore Pelly completely and cancel Polak and Noreau. I consider Kronwall = Cowen. Cowen appears like he has the potential to be a top shutdown defenceman, and it is that along with his age that equals out Kronwall's two way ability. I would say Phillips cancels out Moen and Polak, as an upgrade for 2 players in return (although Nashville probably gets the advantage here as well). Which leaves us with Lotkionov for a 1st+Hamill. That is good value for Nashville, as a 1st will likely be more value than Lotkionov and they get to take a flyer on Hamill as well.
Anaheim receives:
David Booth LW 27 4250000 4 35 82 76 75 73 74 77 77 82 70 58 61 75 77 74 75
Calgary receives:
Calvin de Haan D 21 875000 1 40 67 64 66 78 76 71 78 87 75 59 47 71 65 75 72
Emerson Etem LW 20 900000 2 36 74 61 77 73 71 54 78 73 71 58 54 65 70 66 70
Winner: Calgary (2/5) Reason: Although Booth is a great 3rd liner or decent 2nd liner, Anaheim gave up too much to get him. The trade is a quick fixm which may be ok with them for now, but in a year or two, Anaheim will be regretting this deal unless a Stanley Cup is on their mantle. Etem will mold into a 2 way player, essentially cencelling out Booth, leaving de Haan, who will develop into a very solid 2 way top 4 defenceman.
to TB Alexander Burmistrov C 20 1500000 2 29 76 74 77 74 74 59 77 68 71 79 51 64 75 69 72 Ayesh Marshall-Baker G 18 100000 0 25 51 55 53 51 58 61 54 61 64 58 57 59 53 56 61 Nikolai Zherdev LW 28 3750000 4 32 78 74 83 67 64 63 83 84 69 55 50 68 78 64 74 1st rounder 2012
to WPG Henrik Zetterberg C 31 6083333 5 30 80 85 81 76 79 67 85 87 70 81 78 77 82 74 81 Oscar Dansk G 19 550000 0 63 47 46 52 46 54 44 45 52 52 52 48 53 48 48 57 2nd rounder 2012
Winner: Winnipeg (1.5/5) Reason: We can essentially cancel out Marshall-Baker for Dansk+2nd (although the advantage may be slightly in Tampa's favour). So we have Zetterberg, a proven top performer, for Burmistrov, a mid 1st and Zherdev. Not as bad as some people have been saying, but still not great value. Baker gives Tampa a replacement for Miller in a few years, although he will be ready before that. Burmistrov gives Tampa a 1st or 2nd line center back, and Zherdev can provide some offense on the NHL roster in Zetterberg's absence. Winnipeg gives up some youth for the hope at a playoff run, and Zetterberg's presence significantly enhances that possibility. Good trade for both teams, but Tampa could have help out a bit longer to make sure he got an overpayment for a very prized possession.
To Columbus:
Marc Savard C 35 6000000 6 36 74 85 79 70 68 58 75 73 74 82 65 61 79 65 75 Brad Stuart D 32 3750000 1 43 69 71 63 77 78 79 78 62 64 47 70 78 67 78 71
To Detroit:
Jake Muzzin D 23 135000 2 39 54 51 70 69 78 78 73 65 81 75 44 67 58 75 69 Dmitri Orlov D 21 213000 2 40 50 51 56 59 54 52 74 51 74 45 46 61 52 55 61
Winner: Columbus (3/5) Reason: This is more about Detroit's poor management of assets. They hung on to Savard to the point where his depreciation of value is too much to overcome. They receive a young replacement for Stuart, which is ok, but really gain nothing of significant value for one of their only offensive threats. If they were going to part with some of the main offensive skill on their roster, serious consideration should have been given to this last season. Detroit maybe could have gotten a 1st round pick involved to hopefully replace their top center, but now, at 35, they lose one of their main contributors for very little.
Anaehim receives:
Troy Brouwer LW 27 2100000 3 75 77 75 74 73 74 83 73 72 63 60 62 74 75 76 72
Keith Ballard D 29 4200000 4 63 61 62 60 76 79 76 75 71 61 49 64 78 61 77 71
Chris Neil LW 33 2000000 2 76 69 63 61 70 70 84 70 62 30 58 66 75 64 74 68
Buffalo receives:
Jason Pominville RW 29 5300000 3 36 78 79 78 73 79 66 78 84 80 64 64 71 78 72 76
Cam Barker D 26 3083333 1 41 68 75 73 77 77 72 78 75 73 59 57 74 72 75 74
2013 5th Round Pick
Winner: Anaehim (1.5/5) Reason: Brouwer>Pomminville, in my opinion. A dangerous hit and grinder for a decent offensive threat/NZT player. They are close in value, but I give the edge to Brouwer, and Anaheim. 5th=Neil, but again I give the slight advantage to Anaheim, where Neil can provide solid 4th line work. There is no guarentee the 5th will ever see the 4th line. This leave Barker and Ballard, which I also see as equivelant. Barker is more 2 way, and Ballard is better defensively, so it is really a matter of preference. Overall, Anaheim gains more value in this trade.
Episode 4 coming tomorrow!
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 25, 2011 10:17:59 GMT -5
To : Zach Parisé LW 28 5500000 6 33 87 82 83 74 74 75 83 77 76 73 74 73 84 74 79 To : Nazem Kadri LW 22 875000 1 40 77 79 76 73 75 68 76 78 74 75 56 67 77 72 76 Mikhail Grabovski C 28 2900000 1 28 79 79 77 70 74 69 78 56 74 79 58 69 78 71 73 2013 1st Round Pick 2013 1st Round Pick 2013 1st Round Pick 2013 1st Round Pick 2013 2nd Round Pick Winner: Edmonton (2/5) Reason: Edmonton gains a huge amount of value for Parise, and this is the type of overpayment that Tampa would have been wise to wait for, for Zetterberg. However, this is the type of trade I don't have a problem with if a contender brings in a Parise type player. At the time, Anaheim was a solid contender so I have no problem with them bringing in a top player. 3 of the 4 1sts belong to top teams, with Anaheim as a wild card. So the actual picks sent over are not really top end picks. Kadri is probably done developing, and Parise is likely a top 10 forward in the game. Lots given up, which is why Edmonton comes out on top, but I have no problem with paying this price to take your team over the top. To : Niklas Backstrom G 34 6000000 2 44 79 80 77 79 80 79 79 61 79 78 70 74 78 79 78 To : Ilya Bryzgalov G 32 5666667 9 27 80 80 82 79 82 81 79 72 80 79 57 75 80 80 78 1st Winner: Minnesota (5/5) Reason: The first 5/5 given! Although the consequences won't be dire for New Jersey, the 5/5 rating is given for a trade that just makes no sense. Ilya Bryzgalov is younger, cheaper and better than Backstrom, yet New Jersey also sends over a 1st round pick. Even though the pick will likely be bottom 5, it still makes no sense as to why Minnesota is receiving the pick. I understand New Jersey wanted to switch up their goaltenders, but you really have to question this move. To : Guillaume Latendresse RW 25 2500000 1 47 80 72 74 73 73 80 75 76 60 68 58 74 75 75 73 To : Dominic Moore C 32 1100000 1 44 75 72 75 75 75 71 75 72 65 78 61 70 74 73 74 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Winner: Nashville (2.5/5) Reason: First, Tampa overpays slightly to get a small upgrade here. Secondly, a team that could be in the draft lottery should not be trading away their pick. Although Latendresse could be a very efffective hit and grind player, Moore can be a very effective NZT player. I don't feel like a lottery pick is worth the upgrade here, even though they do get younger and more explosive. If they had kept their 1st out of this deal, I would have liked the idea by Tampa. To : Cam Ward G 28 6300000 5 40 82 83 82 82 82 79 82 72 80 82 70 73 82 81 79 Fedor Tyutin D 29 2843750 2 34 71 69 66 76 77 77 75 52 63 46 59 76 68 76 70 1st next year To : Anders Lindback G 22 1900000 1 31 79 79 81 81 80 80 80 80 76 79 53 65 79 80 78 Duncan Siemens D 19 650000 2 45 59 63 65 79 76 78 64 73 60 48 54 67 62 77 68 Reggie Smyth RW 18 875000 3 24 55 53 51 73 74 67 74 72 81 28 66 60 53 71 66 Winner: Colorado (1/5) Reason: Carolinas 1st next year probably cancels out Smyth just because of the time period before the 1st comes to be of use. However, Smyth will likely only ever be a 4th line player because of his lack of an offensive game. Cam Ward represents a significant upgrade over Lindback. The price of this upgrade is Siemens versus Tyutin. Siemens was a 10th overall pick in a weaker class, and I don't see him getting much above 65OF 79DF. That's good enough for a solid 2nd pairing dman, which trumps Tyutin as a 3rd pairing defenceman. Overall, I feel like the difference between Ward and Lindback is larger than Siemens and Tyutin. Also I feel in the long run, the 1st will bring a more effective player than Smyth also. For those reasons, Colorado gets the slight advantage here. That's all for episode 4, episode 5 coming soon! Comments are welcome
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Post by eamonn (Ducks GM) on Aug 25, 2011 12:51:50 GMT -5
I shouldn't have done that trade for Parise . My team was good how it was, completely went off plan by doing that.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 25, 2011 14:00:22 GMT -5
Well the current NHL effects of the trade was Kadri +grabovski for Parise, and thats a favorable move in my opinion as long as you have the depth to fill the missing spot
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Post by eamonn (Ducks GM) on Aug 25, 2011 14:12:56 GMT -5
I thought I did.. but its not working out. Dalpe has been a huge let down compared to last year.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Aug 31, 2011 15:30:20 GMT -5
EPISODE 5 To : Vincent Lecavalier C 32 7727273 5 48 81 80 81 74 74 75 81 73 65 77 80 78 80 74 78 To : Teemu Pulkkinen RW 21 950000 2 44 79 79 77 67 71 55 78 82 72 58 52 62 78 64 71 Brendan Smith D 23 450000 1 62 72 70 73 77 78 75 81 81 63 65 55 72 71 76 74 Riley Sheahan LW 21 157500 3 54 48 53 52 58 51 46 54 49 72 55 40 50 51 51 56 Winner: Calgary (1/5) Reason: I think Detroit would have been better off going through a rebuild of sorts. Instead, they part with 3 young players, 2 of significance, for 1 aging veteren. I feel like they just got themselves out of this situation, albeit weakly, with the trade of Savard etc. The name factor might have got Detroit a bit here, but Pulkinnen is fairly close to Lecavalier offensively already, and he is 11 years younger. Not to mention the most prized member of Calgary's bunch, Brendan Smith. Smith should be a very good top 4 2 way defenceman, the kind teams are always looking for. I think Calgary accurately realized a small rebuild was needed, and they get a good return for a prized possession. On the flip side, hopefully Vinny can propel Detroit back into the contenders race, but I can't help but feel like Detroit's time has passed them. To : Barret Jackman D 31 3625000 1 66 48 54 44 77 77 77 69 71 54 48 74 77 48 77 68 1st this year 1st next year To : Cam Fowler D 21 450000 2 32 81 82 78 78 77 73 79 88 69 43 50 71 80 76 76 1st this year Winner: Florida (3/5) Reason: The 3/5 rating isn't so much about Florida winning the trade, more about Colorado losing it. On paper, the trade is actually pretty fair. Since it is a fair trade, one really must wonder why Colorado trades their only stud defenceman for a pick, while they are in a heated playoff race. The only thing this does for Colorado is extend their rebuild, since they probably need to take a defenceman with Florida's pick anyways (since they are so weak there). After a few years of rebuilding, it appears Colorado was ready to turn the corner and start to make noise in the playoffs, however they shut the momentum off with this trade. They may still make the playoffs, but expect a first round exit, and a few years added onto the rebuild. To : Kyle Clifford RW 22 650000 1 71 69 66 71 71 74 75 79 71 48 60 56 79 68 73 70 3rd round pick To (phx): T.J. Galiardi LW 24 2000000 3 35 76 75 74 74 74 71 73 73 67 77 68 71 75 73 75 Winner: Pheonix (2/5) Reason: I think Pheonix wins this one anyways, but it is also confusing as to Pittsburgh's motivation behind this one. They trade the main component in the James Neal trade for a 4th liner, maybe a 3rd liner depending on the development of Clifford, and a mid round pick. Galiardi's fluctations are certainly frustrating but they basically lost Neal for a few average or decent prospects/picks and a 3rd/4th liner. The motivation behind this trade was Clifford is a better hit and grind player, which is exactly what Neal is. Overall, they lose value in this trade, as Galiardi is definitely a 3rd liner where as Clifford is tbd. To : Ryan Strome RW 19 100000 0 34 53 69 60 58 62 66 70 66 65 71 54 58 60 62 65 1st round this year Kirill Petrov LW 22 390000 2 40 70 65 75 58 64 65 77 75 71 68 44 72 70 62 70 Ty Wishart D 24 950000 3 44 56 62 59 78 78 76 77 78 69 60 56 71 59 77 71 Kirill Kabanov LW 20 450000 0 33 56 53 57 43 34 48 57 65 75 56 48 47 55 41 59 To : 1st 2014 (conditional: if Iggy retires, but if he doesn't then NYI receive nothing) Jarome Iginla RW 35 7000000 2 59 89 82 81 75 73 76 80 94 70 50 88 81 84 74 81 Ryan Whitney D 29 4000000 2 48 72 81 73 74 78 72 79 77 69 62 58 73 75 74 75 Winner: NYI (1.5/5) Reason: The reason this trade goes in New York's favor is because of the condition. Strome and the 1st should be good but nothing else Calgary received looks like it will be a huge difference maker, but more on the lines of some depth players. I feel like both Whitney and Iginla together should have received more in the way of top end young pieces. I like the move for Calgary without the condition, they move a player very close to retiring, and a top 4 dman for a few young players. However, the reason Iginla didn't fetch a lot more IS because of his age. Calgary negates the age factor a little bit with the 1st round pick condition, but doesn't receive the neccessary compensation for that. For this reason, New York gets the advantage.
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Post by dalfan (Avalanche GM) on Aug 31, 2011 22:41:49 GMT -5
Pshhh Cam Fowler had gotten like 20 points in the season, and was -25. Fowler sucks in EHM and Floridas pick could be just as good next year. (Doubtful) but still.
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Post by flojo888 (Devils GM) on Aug 31, 2011 22:49:11 GMT -5
I make trades to bring in Etem, Ferraro, Babchuk, Grossman, Pavelski, Tanguay, Hudler and I don't make the analysis with any of them? Must.. make.. more.. trades.. Or, do a New Jersey Devils edition
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Post by dalfan (Avalanche GM) on Aug 31, 2011 22:52:06 GMT -5
I make trades to bring in Etem, Ferraro, Babchuk, Grossman, Pavelski, Tanguay, Hudler and I don't make the analysis with any of them? Must.. make.. more.. trades.. Or, do a New Jersey Devils edition It would probably be biased.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 1, 2011 0:32:09 GMT -5
heh, i pick and chose, sorry NJ;) I looked at your Pavelski trade and I was going to do it but I decided it was exactly even
and dalfan, I beg to differ that Fowler sucks in ehm lol
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Post by heelsox (Wild GM) on Sept 1, 2011 10:15:24 GMT -5
Minnesota acquires the bollenbach.(6/5 win for )
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 1, 2011 10:59:23 GMT -5
very true, I entered in the parameters of that trade and the mechanism to determine the trade ratings blew up
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 6, 2011 1:04:04 GMT -5
EPISODE 6! To : Tim Thomas G 38 5000000 2 22 82 77 81 80 80 82 81 83 83 81 80 75 80 80 82 Kimmo Timonen D 37 6333333 2 31 74 78 75 77 79 69 76 80 69 48 74 73 75 75 76 2nd Rounder 2014 To Al Montoya G 28 1750000 2 40 78 78 77 78 78 78 77 69 76 78 54 71 77 78 77 Ryan Whitney D 29 4000000 2 48 72 81 73 74 78 72 79 77 69 62 58 73 75 74 75 Winner: Philadelphia (4/5) Reason: With Thomas' regression prior and after this trade, I'm not quite sure the logic behind it for New York. They get very significantly older in this deal and basically come out even skill wise. Their return for this downgrade is a late 2nd round pick next year. Thomas can barely keep the starting position anymore, and New York better hope his leadership really comes through in the playoffs. However I just don't see New York making a run this year. In a year or two, the Islanders could finally be a dangerous team, however they will be out a good backup goalie and a solid top four by that time, as Thomas and Timonen retire. Overall, not too sure what New York was thinking here. To Tomas Fleischmann LW 28 3750000 4 43 77 78 79 69 72 64 78 78 80 67 58 74 78 68 73 To 1st this year Zach Budish RW 21 390000 2 59 61 61 73 56 63 76 62 63 60 72 48 64 65 65 65 Winner: Nashville (4.5/5) Reason: Not sure what Florida is thinking here either. Although Fleischmann is solid offensively, his consistancy and his defensive liabilities could worry any employer. Florida should still be in rebuilding phase and they give up two pieces here that could really help that along. Budish looks like he could be a cornerstone 3rd line hit and grind player and the pick will be a pretty decent one as well. A rebuilder should only give up their young players for a veteren if they receive an overpayment. Here it is the reverse effect which is why the decision is in Nashville's favor by a wide margain. To Teddy Purcell RW 27 1800000 3 48 77 78 76 73 73 60 77 69 77 47 53 71 77 68 72 Sergei Samsonov LW 34 3000000 2 26 73 77 81 68 68 64 80 83 81 58 60 64 77 66 74 Alexander Burmistrov C 21 1500000 2 26 77 78 79 75 75 57 77 74 71 78 51 67 78 69 73 1st this year 1st this year 3rd this year To Artem Anisimov C 24 4250000 5 30 80 79 78 75 75 73 79 76 70 77 62 71 79 74 76 Lee Stempniak RW 30 1900000 1 28 76 76 78 74 76 74 76 76 72 57 59 74 76 74 74 Taylor Beck LW 21 450000 2 61 78 76 76 74 73 74 75 73 65 55 54 71 76 73 71 Winner: Pheonix (1.5/5) Reason: The original deal would have been a 5/5 thrashing by Pheonix, but the removal of 2 first round picks make the deal more fair. The Coyotes get the best player in this deal in Burmistrov, as well as a couple first round picks for their continuing rebuild. The lateness of the first round picks drops their value somewhat. I see one of the picks cancelling out Beck and Burmistrov and the other 1st cancelling out Anisimov. This leaves Purcell + Samsonov + 3rd for Stempniak, which is a pretty good return for one older roster player. I think a little too much was removed for Pheonix, as the trade is pretty fair now, when in actuality, Pheonix and Tampa had originally agreed on a pretty unfair trade. The advantage should have probably stayed a little more in Pheonix's favor. To Alex Goligoski D 27 1833333 1 35 82 79 78 76 80 72 80 80 71 65 58 76 79 76 76 Nathan Gerbe C 25 2500000 3 25 78 78 74 75 72 72 75 71 72 76 57 65 76 73 73 Stephane Da Costa C 23 270000 3 40 76 74 75 50 57 50 72 73 79 62 42 71 75 52 66 To Erik Karlsson D 22 1300000 1 53 83 82 80 79 75 59 82 80 68 59 59 71 81 71 76 Mike Fisher C 32 4200000 2 61 77 73 75 76 76 76 74 65 67 82 76 74 75 76 76 Winner: Detroit (2/5) Reason: I like this trade by Detroit. I would conisder Karlsson and Goligoski pretty even in terms of value. So I like the move of Fisher for Gerbe and Da Costa. Detroit adds two pieces that could add some much needed offensive punch, and Gerbe is able to fill some of the defensive void left by Fisher. Detroit does well here to get some good value for a player before his age starts to severely hamper his value. That's it for episode 6, check back later for episode 7! On a side note, Pittsburgh's trade of Hejduk for 2 2nds is confusing when his minimum price just a few days prior was Hemsky + 2nd. I see he really undersold himself with his much lower demands.
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Post by eamonn (Ducks GM) on Sept 6, 2011 4:16:18 GMT -5
the florida/nashville trade.. i think you were looking at it backwards.. florida got the 1st and the young guy for flesishman
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 6, 2011 9:52:55 GMT -5
Wools yeah just fucked up the logo order
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Post by braeden (Penguins GM) on Sept 6, 2011 14:37:10 GMT -5
I can't get much for Hejduk when he's retiring.
I'm lucky I got what I got.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 6, 2011 18:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah, just not sure why it was Hemsky+2nd when I inquired about him
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Post by braeden (Penguins GM) on Sept 6, 2011 19:44:41 GMT -5
Yeah, just not sure why it was Hemsky+2nd when I inquired about him Beats me. Plus he wanted to finish off in Colorado.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Sept 7, 2011 1:46:52 GMT -5
EPISODE 7! To Dennis Wideman D 29 3937500 1 56 78 77 76 76 77 72 76 72 67 44 61 78 77 75 74 To 1st this year Carl Gunnarsson D 26 397500 2 40 62 59 60 71 71 74 69 70 81 40 55 71 60 72 66 Winner: Ottawa (2/5) Reason: The first is a nice return, however with the little movement surrounding the deadline, Wideman could have commanded more. Gunnarsson is pretty useless so its basically a mid 1st for a good top 4 defenceman. Not a terrible return, but definitely one that a playoff team would pay for a young top 4 dman. Dallas should have tried to start a bidding war for one of the highest assets. Another first round pick or top prospect would have started to make this a better return for Dallas. To Kari Lehtonen G 29 3550000 2 31 79 79 79 80 81 81 80 79 78 80 62 73 79 80 79 Andrew Raycroft G 32 650000 1 48 76 78 77 76 76 77 76 69 77 72 64 71 77 76 75 To Michal Neuvirth G 25 1150000 1 33 78 78 79 78 79 77 80 78 76 79 57 68 78 78 77 Justin Pogge G 26 800000 2 40 76 76 76 76 76 76 75 76 78 53 51 73 76 76 73 Marco Scandella D 23 135000 2 40 40 51 44 75 75 75 75 76 67 41 53 78 45 75 66 Justin Braun D 26 135000 1 40 52 56 63 75 71 68 76 75 74 76 49 69 57 71 69 Winner: Nashville (1/5) Reason: The only good thing to come out of this trade for Nashville is maybe Lehtonen replacing Luongo when he retires. Otherwise, its just an upgrade on the backup position. Also, Raycroft gave them too many goalies, and promptly went on waivers. I'm not sure why they even wanted him included in the trade. For Dallas, I'm not sure if Neuvirth will surpass Lehtonen. He has had ample time to develop and it seems like he is destined to be caught between an ok starter and a good backup. So in that sense, is a decent young defenceman and a pretty useless defenceman worth the downgrade on the starter position? Probably not, but if the gamble on Neuvirth pays off it will be a good trade. I don't see Scandella becoming more than a 3rd pairing defenceman, and that's not exactly a price I would pay to downgrade my starter. To David Rundblad D 22 875000 2 55 75 80 70 77 77 68 80 78 74 59 53 67 75 74 74 To Calvin de Haan D 21 875000 1 40 72 70 72 77 77 72 80 81 75 59 47 71 71 75 73 1st this year Winner: San Jose (2/5) Reason: I consider de Haan and Rundblad pretty similar, so I feel like San Jose adds a mid-late first round pick here without giving much up for it. I'm not sure why Calgary is worrying about replacing Wisniewski's spot already, when he is only 29. To me, da Haan could be much better defensively, which is what Calgary needs, while possessing come offensive skill as well. To Ilya Bryzgalov G 32 5666667 9 27 82 80 81 80 80 80 79 74 80 79 57 76 81 80 79 Tomas Kopecky RW 31 2000000 2 25 74 76 75 75 73 71 74 75 74 68 53 75 75 73 73 Cody Almond C 22 192999 1 50 63 60 69 62 65 68 67 75 55 75 50 72 64 65 67 To David Legwand C 32 4500000 3 44 76 77 76 75 73 68 75 73 76 76 69 74 76 72 76 Rene Bourque RW 31 4000000 2 42 78 76 76 74 73 73 76 78 70 57 66 75 76 73 75 Winner: Montreal (2.5/5) Reason: We could essentially cancel out Legwand and Kopecky. This leaves us with Bourque for Bryzgalov and Almond. Bourque is a solid depth player, however I feel like this is not a lot to give up for a legitimate starter. Maybe Bryzgalov hadn't been working out in Minnesota but I feel like they lost some value here. I can understand if Minnesota wanted to add some depth, but I feel like they could have attemped to add a top pick/prospect into this deal. As a rebuilder, every asset is key, and I feel they let a big one go pretty easily. Thats it for episode 7!
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