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Post by dalfan (Avalanche GM) on Jul 15, 2011 20:08:42 GMT -5
Not to mention I got a replacement for Quincey for nothing. Trevor Daley. Only offset is his contract.
Or we can look at some stats.
Peter Mueller 8 games 1 goal 1 assist Erik Johnson 9 games 0 goals 6 assists
Marcus Johansson hasn't played any games (21 y/o) Evgeni Kuznetsov 9 games 2 goals 1 assist (19y/o) Brad Marchand 9 games 2 goals 4 assists (23y/o) John Erskine 9 games 1 goal 3 assists
And, three out of four of these players are prospects. As in, not supposed to be putting up solid numbers. And they will go on to develop greatly.
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Post by mirrorforcex on Jul 16, 2011 10:18:23 GMT -5
stats dont mean anything...
Erik Johnson 9 games 0 goals 6 assists
^plus thats good for a d-man, in case you didnt know
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Post by heelsox (Wild GM) on Jul 16, 2011 13:11:21 GMT -5
stats dont mean anything... No...those numbers on a spreadsheet don't mean anything. How the players actually produce is kinda what counts...
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Post by mirrorforcex on Jul 16, 2011 13:39:47 GMT -5
stats dont mean anything... No...those numbers on a spreadsheet don't mean anything. How the players actually produce is kinda what counts... I meant in EHM lol
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Post by heelsox (Wild GM) on Jul 16, 2011 13:50:44 GMT -5
No...those numbers on a spreadsheet don't mean anything. How the players actually produce is kinda what counts... I meant in EHM lol I know...I'm saying the numbers on the spreadsheet don't matter as much as stats do. If you have a player who's 90 overall, does it matter if he only puts up 30 points a season? I know it's kinda an extreme example....but you know what I'm saying
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Post by hockeyfreak (Hurricanes GM) on Jul 16, 2011 13:53:53 GMT -5
I know...I'm saying the numbers on the spreadsheet don't matter as much as stats do. If you have a player who's 90 overall, does it matter if he only puts up 30 points a season? I know it's kinda an extreme example....but you know what I'm saying That's not even that extreme actually. That's what the CON rating is for. Lots of good players have shitty CON values, so even if they're 90 OV, they only play at 90 OV like half the time. So yeah, production is more important than attributes.
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Post by mirrorforcex on Jul 16, 2011 14:03:43 GMT -5
I know...I'm saying the numbers on the spreadsheet don't matter as much as stats do. If you have a player who's 90 overall, does it matter if he only puts up 30 points a season? I know it's kinda an extreme example....but you know what I'm saying That's not even that extreme actually. That's what the CON rating is for. Lots of good players have shitty CON values, so even if they're 90 OV, they only play at 90 OV like half the time. So yeah, production is more important than attributes. Yeah sure, I'm off to sign a 47 OA player for my 1st line! Woah, I bet he'll score 50 goals per year!
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Post by hockeyfreak (Hurricanes GM) on Jul 16, 2011 14:07:09 GMT -5
Yeah sure, I'm off to sign a 47 OA player for my 1st line! Woah, I bet he'll score 50 goals per year! Really man? You know that's not what I said. And if a 47 OV player has a perfect CON rating, then it means he plays at 47 OV ALL the time. So he has 0% chance of scoring 50 (or any) goals. But if an 80 OV player has a 20 CON then he's only going to play like 20 games a year to his potential. So he's really not an 80 OV player if he's not playing like one. Do you not understand what I'm saying?
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Post by mirrorforcex on Jul 16, 2011 14:08:31 GMT -5
Yeah sure, I'm off to sign a 47 OA player for my 1st line! Woah, I bet he'll score 50 goals per year! Really man? You know that's not what I said. And if a 47 OV player has a perfect CON rating, then it means he plays at 47 OV ALL the time. So he has 0% chance of scoring 50 (or any) goals. But if an 80 OV player has a 20 CON then he's only going to play like 20 games a year to his potential. So he's really not an 80 OV player if he's not playing like one. Do you not understand what I'm saying? too late, I offered Jack Combs! You can always offer better if you want
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Post by Islanders GM (DHL Commish) on Jul 16, 2011 14:11:22 GMT -5
Yeah sure, I'm off to sign a 47 OA player for my 1st line! Woah, I bet he'll score 50 goals per year! Really man? You know that's not what I said. And if a 47 OV player has a perfect CON rating, then it means he plays at 47 OV ALL the time. So he has 0% chance of scoring 50 (or any) goals. But if an 80 OV player has a 20 CON then he's only going to play like 20 games a year to his potential. So he's really not an 80 OV player if he's not playing like one. Do you not understand what I'm saying? This is correct
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Post by mirrorforcex on Jul 16, 2011 14:12:31 GMT -5
Really man? You know that's not what I said. And if a 47 OV player has a perfect CON rating, then it means he plays at 47 OV ALL the time. So he has 0% chance of scoring 50 (or any) goals. But if an 80 OV player has a 20 CON then he's only going to play like 20 games a year to his potential. So he's really not an 80 OV player if he's not playing like one. Do you not understand what I'm saying? This is correct too late, I offered Jack Combs! You can always offer better if you want
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Post by kyaku on Jul 16, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Points mean nothing. How they play on the ice means everything, and a 10 overall guy will play like a noob and get lots of turnovers and stuff. A 80 overall guy will play like a star and actually start some attacks and stuff.
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Post by hockeyfreak (Hurricanes GM) on Jul 16, 2011 14:26:00 GMT -5
Points mean nothing. How they play on the ice means everything, and a 10 overall guy will play like a noob and get lots of turnovers and stuff. A 80 overall guy will play like a star and actually start some attacks and stuff. Nobody ever said a 10 OV guy wouldnt be brutal. Just that an 80 OV guy isnt necessarily going to play like an 80 OV player ALL the time. That's why CON drops are such a pain in the ass. If you trade for an 80 OV guy and he has a con drop, he's no longer as good as his OV would suggest. Here's an example of Alex Kovalev's profile in the players.ehm file from an old file of mine: 78 78 96 67 64 61 82 85 52 58 75 78 83 53 115 39 6 24 5 3 1 1973 24 2 5000000 1 1991 1 18 24 4 3 1 1 2 3 1 1 44 51 95 0 0 176 1 176 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 4 0 1 215 9 2 0 0 0 0 0 - Alex Kovalev uuui drafted 150071070070075150108096080020081080105 1.16 (24.3.2002) 1.16 (24.3.2002) I bolded his CON rating for you. It's 53. That means that even though he has 84 OF, he only plays at that level about HALF the time or less. So no, just because you traded for an 80 OV player doesnt mean you hit the jack pot yet. You have to wait to see him perform and produce points before you can say your team is better off. That's what makes EHM so damn realistic. EDIT: And like I said, if you acquire a 10 OV player, he's still going to be a complete shit show no matter what his CON rating is.
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Post by dbaby (Kings GM) on Jul 18, 2011 0:23:46 GMT -5
the hard work put into this blog has been over shadowed by the constant bickering displayed over dalfan's trade. PEACE TO THE BROTHERS
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Post by dalfan (Avalanche GM) on Jul 18, 2011 12:45:27 GMT -5
I don't understand how trading a 72 OA player for picks could be so bad. It was better than Liles for a 2nd IRL.
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Post by heelsox (Wild GM) on Jul 19, 2011 13:57:36 GMT -5
I don't understand how trading a 72 OA player for picks could be so bad. It was better than Liles for a 2nd IRL. probably the same intelligent people that think Toronto won the Kessel trade;) probably the same intelligent people that think Toronto won the Kessel trade;)
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Post by eamonn (Ducks GM) on Jul 22, 2011 0:52:48 GMT -5
I don't understand how trading a 72 OA player for picks could be so bad. It was better than Liles for a 2nd IRL. probably the same intelligent people that think Toronto won the Kessel trade;) probably the same intelligent people that think Toronto won the Kessel trade;) If you look at it from a wider angle, Toronto did win that trade. It allowed them to get Colbourne, Biggs, Franson, Liles and a couple other pieces.. all for a couple eh picks and kaberle.
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Post by patrickroy99 (Blues GM) on Jul 22, 2011 0:57:13 GMT -5
how?
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